Comments on: US Election about Identity Politics and Drama http://cynicsunlimited.com/2008/09/03/us-election-about-identity-politics-and-drama/ Dissecting What You Choose to Ignore Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:02:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: B http://cynicsunlimited.com/2008/09/03/us-election-about-identity-politics-and-drama/#comment-1609 B Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:30:27 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/?p=478#comment-1609 Hey Witchdoctor, This interview with an Obama supporter seems to hit on the issues only. Thought you may like it. http://illseed.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/the-wrong-obama-supporter-to-fk-with/ B Hey Witchdoctor,

This interview with an Obama supporter seems to hit on the issues only. Thought you may like it.

http://illseed.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/the-wrong-obama-supporter-to-fk-with/

B

]]> By: Witchdoctor http://cynicsunlimited.com/2008/09/03/us-election-about-identity-politics-and-drama/#comment-1608 Witchdoctor Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:12:02 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/?p=478#comment-1608 There's an old saying: People elect the government they deserve. I'd like to change that to: Uninformed or misinformed people elect the government they want. I'm sick and fed-up reading about Obama's race and religion. I'm also frustrated with the rubbish talk about Sarah Palin's family problems. Also, divisive topics about gay marriage and abortion are distracting voters about the issues that matter most to Americans. The way I see it, there are five key issues that voters should examine in making their selection: 1. Foreign Policy 2. Fiscal Policy 3. Health Care 4. Energy and the Environment 5. Education You can "cut and paste" into your browser command line the URL of each of the competing parties on the above issues...then compare and contrast before deciding which party has the best candidates for the US Presidency. 1. Foreign Policy OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/ MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/fdeb03a7-30b0-4ece-8e34-4c7ea83f11d8.htm 2. Fiscal Policy OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/jobsforamerica/ 3. Health Care OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/ MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm 4. Energy and the Environment OBAMA http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/ MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/da151a1c-733a-4dc1-9cd3-f9ca5caba1de.htm http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm 5. Education OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/ MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ce50b5-daa8-4795-b92d-92bd0d985bca.htm There’s an old saying: People elect the government they deserve.
I’d like to change that to: Uninformed or misinformed people elect the government they want.

I’m sick and fed-up reading about Obama’s race and religion. I’m also frustrated with the rubbish talk about Sarah Palin’s family problems. Also, divisive topics about gay marriage and abortion are distracting voters about the issues that matter most to Americans. The way I see it, there are five key issues that voters should examine in making their selection:
1. Foreign Policy
2. Fiscal Policy
3. Health Care
4. Energy and the Environment
5. Education

You can “cut and paste” into your browser command line the URL of each of the competing parties on the above issues…then compare and contrast before deciding which party has the best candidates for the US Presidency.

1. Foreign Policy
OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/fdeb03a7-30b0-4ece-8e34-4c7ea83f11d8.htm

2. Fiscal Policy
OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/

MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/jobsforamerica/

3. Health Care
OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

4. Energy and the Environment
OBAMA http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/

MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/da151a1c-733a-4dc1-9cd3-f9ca5caba1de.htm
http://www.johnmccain.com//Informing/Issues/17671aa4-2fe8-4008-859f-0ef1468e96f4.htm

5. Education
OBAMA http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/

MCCAIN http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ce50b5-daa8-4795-b92d-92bd0d985bca.htm

]]> By: Emilia Liz http://cynicsunlimited.com/2008/09/03/us-election-about-identity-politics-and-drama/#comment-1607 Emilia Liz Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:10:19 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/?p=478#comment-1607 Well, I'm not sure I would label my nephews (their mother - my sister - is White; their father is a Black American) as Black in the same way I might somebody with two Black parents who has lived in a Black community all their lives. I think culturally my nephews are much more "White" than "Black," and they identify both as Black and White, even if society sees them as the former. Maybe my own daughter will be in a similar position as far as being Hispanic. Yes, her father is Hispanic, but because she has much more to do with my side of the family than his, I'm not sure she'll identify as Hispanic as she grows up. Just a clarification: I'm in no way saying that being half-White makes Obama superior to people with two Black parents. I've never believed in people like Philippe Rushton or James Watson's views that Blacks are genetically less intelligent than Whites (in a couple of my other essays I've cited a German study disproving their theories). Well, I’m not sure I would label my nephews (their mother – my sister – is White; their father is a Black American) as Black in the same way I might somebody with two Black parents who has lived in a Black community all their lives. I think culturally my nephews are much more “White” than “Black,” and they identify both as Black and White, even if society sees them as the former. Maybe my own daughter will be in a similar position as far as being Hispanic. Yes, her father is Hispanic, but because she has much more to do with my side of the family than his, I’m not sure she’ll identify as Hispanic as she grows up.

Just a clarification: I’m in no way saying that being half-White makes Obama superior to people with two Black parents. I’ve never believed in people like Philippe Rushton or James Watson’s views that Blacks are genetically less intelligent than Whites (in a couple of my other essays I’ve cited a German study disproving their theories).

]]> By: B http://cynicsunlimited.com/2008/09/03/us-election-about-identity-politics-and-drama/#comment-1606 B Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:07:36 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/?p=478#comment-1606 http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/04/f-obama-biography.html Peoples favorite thing is to attack how "black" the man is. The fact is his experience is no less authentic than anyone else. If he had two black parents and grew up where he did, he would be no less "black". The above link seems to do a good job quickly and briefly exposing those who have not really looked him up to who he is and where his connections are. As someone who is black and grew up in a place with few of us, no one can tell me my blackness was compromised.....and no one can tell me I faced any less barriers based on blackness than those who had more black kids in their school. If anything its harder....you get it from both sides since some blacks doubt your experience not knowing. If you know yourself you know yourself.... no matter if someone helps you get to that point or you gotta get there yourself. Anyways.....read that story and if you feel need look into the man further. He is been in the trenches more than most black politicians....in the trenches after growing up and reaching working age that is. His perspective is a very useful one in that way. I wonder how many people emphasize the white side of half black criminals, half black mayors or CEOs that have a fall from grace, broke half black people? I don't like how if a half black person does something positive everyone goes out their way to cut connections to the black side and question them. Its like there are roles we are "allowed" to play. People look at what music he heard from his mom as a child.....since when are black people only allowed to hear black music? Also....here in Canada I believe there is an orchestra with a black conductor....does he lose his black card? But if Obama won the 100 metres at the Olympics white people wouldn't jump up and down cause they got someone in there with the sea of black runners. Anyways....just letting some opinions based on many things I have read and heard over the last few months of this race. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/04/f-obama-biography.html

Peoples favorite thing is to attack how “black” the man is. The fact is his experience is no less authentic than anyone else. If he had two black parents and grew up where he did, he would be no less “black”. The above link seems to do a good job quickly and briefly exposing those who have not really looked him up to who he is and where his connections are. As someone who is black and grew up in a place with few of us, no one can tell me my blackness was compromised…..and no one can tell me I faced any less barriers based on blackness than those who had more black kids in their school. If anything its harder….you get it from both sides since some blacks doubt your experience not knowing. If you know yourself you know yourself…. no matter if someone helps you get to that point or you gotta get there yourself.

Anyways…..read that story and if you feel need look into the man further. He is been in the trenches more than most black politicians….in the trenches after growing up and reaching working age that is. His perspective is a very useful one in that way.

I wonder how many people emphasize the white side of half black criminals, half black mayors or CEOs that have a fall from grace, broke half black people?

I don’t like how if a half black person does something positive everyone goes out their way to cut connections to the black side and question them. Its like there are roles we are “allowed” to play. People look at what music he heard from his mom as a child…..since when are black people only allowed to hear black music? Also….here in Canada I believe there is an orchestra with a black conductor….does he lose his black card? But if Obama won the 100 metres at the Olympics white people wouldn’t jump up and down cause they got someone in there with the sea of black runners.

Anyways….just letting some opinions based on many things I have read and heard over the last few months of this race.

]]> By: Emilia Liz http://cynicsunlimited.com/2008/09/03/us-election-about-identity-politics-and-drama/#comment-1605 Emilia Liz Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:48:26 +0000 http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/?p=478#comment-1605 My question has always been how close Obama really is to other Black Americans. Unlike them, he traces his roots directly to Africa rather than to people who were brought from Africa to the Americas generations ago. And I can't imagine there were too many other Blacks in Indonesia or Hawaii, where he grew up. Finally, his mother was White. So did he always identify as Black, or only when he went back to Mainland United States? My question has always been how close Obama really is to other Black Americans. Unlike them, he traces his roots directly to Africa rather than to people who were brought from Africa to the Americas generations ago. And I can’t imagine there were too many other Blacks in Indonesia or Hawaii, where he grew up. Finally, his mother was White. So did he always identify as Black, or only when he went back to Mainland United States?

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