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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, women who cheat are pay higher costs than men because of this paternity fraud.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going through the same situation. I married a woman years ago because she stated to me she was pregnant and funny at the time her mother kept pushing me to marry her daughter because the mothers argument was I can&#039;t leave her daughter pregnant, it is funny when I think about it because at the time when this was occurring my father told me not to marry her and to wait until the child was born and then go from there. I was only 19 at the time and wanted to play college basketball, but I didn&#039;t play college ball but instead I dropped out of collage and got a job. SO I had one family telling me to marry her which was hers and another family &quot;mines&quot; which was saying don&#039;t marry her because of the type of girl she was at the time....... so my mother took me to our Pastor at the time for direction. The Pastor explained to me about responsibility and the importance of a child growing up in a marriage and  urged me to marry her! I was scared and young but I did it.... Fast Forward 3 years... after the youngest child was born she filed divorce because she kept getting into outside relationships and one of them was so intense she would stay out 2 or 3 days at a time and wanted to marry some guy (I believe that is my son real father) so when she handed me the papers I signed them and she then was gone but I was left moved in with my mother and took care of the two children, we soon got our own apartment ....... Fast forward 7 years later... after being a single dad for some time it was time for me to become married... I met a wonderful woman at church and married her.. now here is when everything changed... now the mother of my kids comes back on the scene after 7 years and tries to assault my wife at our house for no reason! me and the mother never had a relationship in 7 years so this was strange, my kids knew there mother more like a aunt then a mother because she only stopped by on occasions!!! Then she files for custody and wins!!! and immediately files for child support when she never paid for 7 years!!! So here I am paying $750 a month!!! my aunt one day have my children over her house and then calls me &quot;Thomas she said your oldest son doesn&#039;t look nothing like our family or you! He even acts different&quot;, so I ordered a DNA test and what do you know the child is not mine!! when I brought it to court the Judge threw it out the court and said I will be arrested if I brought this up again! when the recession was really bad me and my wife lost our house, we slept in a car for 3 months, a one bed room with no heat all because of child support!! and because of arrears I cant even find a decent job!! These women get away with murder and they can do what they want! I have a friend that was raising his Daughter for twelve years, he didn&#039;t have custody but the mother couldn&#039;t take care of her anyway so she allowed him to raise her but he didn&#039;t get that in writing and he didn&#039;t get it signed legally,. He met a nice woman and married her! the mother became angry he got married even though they were not in a relations for years, took the daughter back and took him for current and past child support.. it totaled $45,000!! They took his Cars, tax returns, and he lost his job!! See woman can use the court system to manipulate and cause damage in the fathers life and the children life as well!!! it is a horrible system!! How can we last as a country with a corrupt and unjust system. I could write a book on the other stuff that she did to me and my wife but you wouldn&#039;t even believe it!! the system is after Family and the destruction of children and more importantly they want to eliminate TRUTH!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going through the same situation. I married a woman years ago because she stated to me she was pregnant and funny at the time her mother kept pushing me to marry her daughter because the mothers argument was I can&#8217;t leave her daughter pregnant, it is funny when I think about it because at the time when this was occurring my father told me not to marry her and to wait until the child was born and then go from there. I was only 19 at the time and wanted to play college basketball, but I didn&#8217;t play college ball but instead I dropped out of collage and got a job. SO I had one family telling me to marry her which was hers and another family &#8220;mines&#8221; which was saying don&#8217;t marry her because of the type of girl she was at the time&#8230;&#8230;. so my mother took me to our Pastor at the time for direction. The Pastor explained to me about responsibility and the importance of a child growing up in a marriage and  urged me to marry her! I was scared and young but I did it&#8230;. Fast Forward 3 years&#8230; after the youngest child was born she filed divorce because she kept getting into outside relationships and one of them was so intense she would stay out 2 or 3 days at a time and wanted to marry some guy (I believe that is my son real father) so when she handed me the papers I signed them and she then was gone but I was left moved in with my mother and took care of the two children, we soon got our own apartment &#8230;&#8230;. Fast forward 7 years later&#8230; after being a single dad for some time it was time for me to become married&#8230; I met a wonderful woman at church and married her.. now here is when everything changed&#8230; now the mother of my kids comes back on the scene after 7 years and tries to assault my wife at our house for no reason! me and the mother never had a relationship in 7 years so this was strange, my kids knew there mother more like a aunt then a mother because she only stopped by on occasions!!! Then she files for custody and wins!!! and immediately files for child support when she never paid for 7 years!!! So here I am paying $750 a month!!! my aunt one day have my children over her house and then calls me &#8220;Thomas she said your oldest son doesn&#8217;t look nothing like our family or you! He even acts different&#8221;, so I ordered a DNA test and what do you know the child is not mine!! when I brought it to court the Judge threw it out the court and said I will be arrested if I brought this up again! when the recession was really bad me and my wife lost our house, we slept in a car for 3 months, a one bed room with no heat all because of child support!! and because of arrears I cant even find a decent job!! These women get away with murder and they can do what they want! I have a friend that was raising his Daughter for twelve years, he didn&#8217;t have custody but the mother couldn&#8217;t take care of her anyway so she allowed him to raise her but he didn&#8217;t get that in writing and he didn&#8217;t get it signed legally,. He met a nice woman and married her! the mother became angry he got married even though they were not in a relations for years, took the daughter back and took him for current and past child support.. it totaled $45,000!! They took his Cars, tax returns, and he lost his job!! See woman can use the court system to manipulate and cause damage in the fathers life and the children life as well!!! it is a horrible system!! How can we last as a country with a corrupt and unjust system. I could write a book on the other stuff that she did to me and my wife but you wouldn&#8217;t even believe it!! the system is after Family and the destruction of children and more importantly they want to eliminate TRUTH!!.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to thank Cynics Unlimited so much for giving me the chance to tell my story, because since i did, my mind feels free.  I don&#039;t know if i&#039;m right or wrong about the above, but ive  been living in confusion, pain and identity crisis for 17 years, i think what they did to me was satanic.  ive thought about suicide numerous times, and felt powerless and unable to stand up for myself, like a zombie on medication, and have made numerous mistakes since.
on the other hand, while in rehab, i saw a divine aura around a robin hopping across the grass, and now dont wonder if there is a God, but know there is.  many scientists perceive this as madness.
thankyou Cynics Unlimited,
neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to thank Cynics Unlimited so much for giving me the chance to tell my story, because since i did, my mind feels free.  I don&#8217;t know if i&#8217;m right or wrong about the above, but ive  been living in confusion, pain and identity crisis for 17 years, i think what they did to me was satanic.  ive thought about suicide numerous times, and felt powerless and unable to stand up for myself, like a zombie on medication, and have made numerous mistakes since.<br />
on the other hand, while in rehab, i saw a divine aura around a robin hopping across the grass, and now dont wonder if there is a God, but know there is.  many scientists perceive this as madness.<br />
thankyou Cynics Unlimited,<br />
neil</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the point is with me i have schizophrenia, and suffer from delusional thoughts.
when i was a child an english car dealer sat beside me in my parent&#039;s house [apparently a friend of my dad&#039;s]. my dad was sitting in the middle of the floor staring at him, and there were other men in the room.  the car dealer told a story, that he had taken a girl to the cinema, and he was in an ad on the cinema screen riding a horse, and he had long blonde hair, and the girl [who was, as i was, sitting beside him] didnt know that that was him on the cinema screen.  the car dealer had gone to seed through alcohol, and his face had a reaction to mine- a warm feeling.
a few years ago i was cycling home from town, and there was a car with an english reg stationary as i passed by.  i looked in and saw someone in a sheepskin coat.  as i cycled by he started the car and drove along side me at a very slow pace, then we got to a set of lights and he turned off.
i described this to a friend, and the car, and the friend recalled that a butcher in a certain area of dublin had a similar car.  this intrueged me as my brother is married to a butchers daughter in the same area.  that butchers competition.
ive had these thoughts for 17years, since i was working in a branch of my dad&#039;s workplace, the staff there mentally tortured me, and then very cleverly put the notion in my head that the car dealer was my dad, in such a way that would leave no come back to them.
i accused my dad of this, and ended up in a mental hospital, getting the diagnosis schizophrenia, and on medication ever since.
when i was working in London in 1990, i smoked some cannabis, and had 2 visions- one of Jesus, and one of the devil.  a psychiatrist said he thought the drugs had damaged me-i might have been spiked with lsd, or it might have been mixed into the cannabis.  i believe it was the mental torture in the office that damaged me.
stil dont know who my dad is, but i accept i have schizophrenia. neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the point is with me i have schizophrenia, and suffer from delusional thoughts.<br />
when i was a child an english car dealer sat beside me in my parent&#8217;s house [apparently a friend of my dad's]. my dad was sitting in the middle of the floor staring at him, and there were other men in the room.  the car dealer told a story, that he had taken a girl to the cinema, and he was in an ad on the cinema screen riding a horse, and he had long blonde hair, and the girl [who was, as i was, sitting beside him] didnt know that that was him on the cinema screen.  the car dealer had gone to seed through alcohol, and his face had a reaction to mine- a warm feeling.<br />
a few years ago i was cycling home from town, and there was a car with an english reg stationary as i passed by.  i looked in and saw someone in a sheepskin coat.  as i cycled by he started the car and drove along side me at a very slow pace, then we got to a set of lights and he turned off.<br />
i described this to a friend, and the car, and the friend recalled that a butcher in a certain area of dublin had a similar car.  this intrueged me as my brother is married to a butchers daughter in the same area.  that butchers competition.<br />
ive had these thoughts for 17years, since i was working in a branch of my dad&#8217;s workplace, the staff there mentally tortured me, and then very cleverly put the notion in my head that the car dealer was my dad, in such a way that would leave no come back to them.<br />
i accused my dad of this, and ended up in a mental hospital, getting the diagnosis schizophrenia, and on medication ever since.<br />
when i was working in London in 1990, i smoked some cannabis, and had 2 visions- one of Jesus, and one of the devil.  a psychiatrist said he thought the drugs had damaged me-i might have been spiked with lsd, or it might have been mixed into the cannabis.  i believe it was the mental torture in the office that damaged me.<br />
stil dont know who my dad is, but i accept i have schizophrenia. neil</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now accept that my dad is my real dad, and the dna test is accurate.  Neil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now accept that my dad is my real dad, and the dna test is accurate.  Neil.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, i had a dna test which established that my dad is my real dad.  years ago i was brainwased into believing that he was not.  i suffer from schizophrenia ever since, and do not believe my dad is my real dad.  i believe the truth has been hidden from me for a reason.  however i will remain on medication with my so-called delusional thoughts about the identity of my dad, until i establish the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, i had a dna test which established that my dad is my real dad.  years ago i was brainwased into believing that he was not.  i suffer from schizophrenia ever since, and do not believe my dad is my real dad.  i believe the truth has been hidden from me for a reason.  however i will remain on medication with my so-called delusional thoughts about the identity of my dad, until i establish the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard S v Lillian S is a paternity fraud case on appeal to NY&#039;s highest court (NY Court of Appeals). It is a case of first impression in NY and oral argument is expected in March.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard S v Lillian S is a paternity fraud case on appeal to NY&#8217;s highest court (NY Court of Appeals). It is a case of first impression in NY and oral argument is expected in March.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilia Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilia Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rick,

Paternity testing all children at birth might not worth it because the fact that at most 4% of men are not the genetic fathers of the children they are raising would not justify the huge of testing.  Rather, in my essay &quot;Fatherhood Rescinded&quot; (on this site) that men who discover they are not the fathers of their &quot;children&quot; should be absolved of any duty to financially support them unless they requested to do so themselves.

Emilia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rick,</p>
<p>Paternity testing all children at birth might not worth it because the fact that at most 4% of men are not the genetic fathers of the children they are raising would not justify the huge of testing.  Rather, in my essay &#8220;Fatherhood Rescinded&#8221; (on this site) that men who discover they are not the fathers of their &#8220;children&#8221; should be absolved of any duty to financially support them unless they requested to do so themselves.</p>
<p>Emilia</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paternity fraud where a man is forced under the threat of incarceration by a judge to pay for a child that is not his is just a continuation of the theme of &quot;women having rights and men having responsibilities&quot;. I believe that all children should by law have DNA tests at birth and paternity should be established at that time. This would simply eliminate paternity fraud and give husbands, boyfriends or whatever the opportunity to make an informed choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paternity fraud where a man is forced under the threat of incarceration by a judge to pay for a child that is not his is just a continuation of the theme of &#8220;women having rights and men having responsibilities&#8221;. I believe that all children should by law have DNA tests at birth and paternity should be established at that time. This would simply eliminate paternity fraud and give husbands, boyfriends or whatever the opportunity to make an informed choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Miskulin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Miskulin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for not continuing straight away with my comment but I fell from my chair loughing at comment that courts and system are generaly doing everything &quot;in the best interest of the child&quot;. Question for the person who put that up:

how much do you pay your shrink?

I&#039;d ask for money back.

&quot;family&quot; courts are nothing but the front for criminal fraternity of divorce industry specialising in asset stripping and destruction of family. Contact with the child/ren even though is proven beyond any doubt that it is the most beneficial influence for child development and safety in child&#039;s life, is more often than not railroaded by the mother and even when court orders are flaunted there are no reprisals. Invented allegations of abuse, fear and lot more are also used with impunity as delaying tactics in denial of contact. In many cases, without any evidence of father ever doing anything wrong, contact is granted only for couple of hours - supervised. What do you think that must seem like to the children? all the denigration of their father they hear &quot;at home&quot; must be true if system is so worried about their safety. Right?
Wake up to the truth people. You are not mushrooms so don&#039;t let powers that be feed you bullshit.
I have not seen my children for almost nine years now. not because I do not want to but because of the corrupt system. I have been on 63 day hunger strike to highlight the problen and there is a gagging order issued against me telling the truth. And, for last six years I live in exile, because my life was threatened in UK. Google me.

Len Miskulin
Chairman
Live Beat Dads UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for not continuing straight away with my comment but I fell from my chair loughing at comment that courts and system are generaly doing everything &#8220;in the best interest of the child&#8221;. Question for the person who put that up:</p>
<p>how much do you pay your shrink?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask for money back.</p>
<p>&#8220;family&#8221; courts are nothing but the front for criminal fraternity of divorce industry specialising in asset stripping and destruction of family. Contact with the child/ren even though is proven beyond any doubt that it is the most beneficial influence for child development and safety in child&#8217;s life, is more often than not railroaded by the mother and even when court orders are flaunted there are no reprisals. Invented allegations of abuse, fear and lot more are also used with impunity as delaying tactics in denial of contact. In many cases, without any evidence of father ever doing anything wrong, contact is granted only for couple of hours &#8211; supervised. What do you think that must seem like to the children? all the denigration of their father they hear &#8220;at home&#8221; must be true if system is so worried about their safety. Right?<br />
Wake up to the truth people. You are not mushrooms so don&#8217;t let powers that be feed you bullshit.<br />
I have not seen my children for almost nine years now. not because I do not want to but because of the corrupt system. I have been on 63 day hunger strike to highlight the problen and there is a gagging order issued against me telling the truth. And, for last six years I live in exile, because my life was threatened in UK. Google me.</p>
<p>Len Miskulin<br />
Chairman<br />
Live Beat Dads UK</p>
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